User blog:Pinkolol16/This ignorance isn't getting us anywhere

Consistently I have commented wanting consensus on things that could change wiki articles dramatically, and yet people refuse to listen.

1. The comments come up as a "talk page"

Do you not believe me? Ok, let me see a comment on a recent page.

This is the RWA point on the wiki article of a comment I made: http://prntscr.com/52w2p8

Following that link, here is the actual comment: http://prntscr.com/52w2u4

Talk pages of a wiki article are not where discussions happen about opinions, I'm sorry to say. That's precisely what the community side of this is for, which, yes, non-wiki contributors can contribute to. How do I know this? Tested message walls myself while I was at school. Not logged in either.

Talk pages ARE for commenting for what to do with the page in itself. Every time I tell people this, everyone seems to ignore me.

I also fear and wonder at the same time if people are thinking I'm just doing this because of my admin. I want to make this point clear before I continue. '''Nothing I suggest, or bring up to this wiki is because I have admin rights. '''I can easily say all this stuff and be a rollback alone. Even the consensus thing I clearly ask people for.

The forum thread I made regarding the opinions on pages AND pictures. Nobody clearly seems to have listened to that, as I've continued to undo edits regarding opinions. What was it, the war of the fat italians one whetre the plot got a major overhaul, 1. Nobody listened to me when i said we should wait before mentioning everybody's name for consensus if that should be, I got no replies, and then somebody went ahead and did it for me and then stated in the comments "I listened." Newsflash: This is a community, people will be looking at that page. That is precisely why I asked first because it would be such a major change to the page. 2. The opinions flooded the plotline.

You don't type this kind of thing.

"Leaving the viewers to go "here we go again...".."

You do not type that. Reasons why? 1. Not everybody went that way when that question was asked at the end of the video, 2. that question was not meant to bring up such an opinionated term. Do I need to repeat what I said on that forum? Not everybody reading the page has the same opinion as that page. Nor should they be forced to have the same opinion as the page.

Alot of wikis, especially those with comments tend to be overlooked as a wiki where "oh, these people don't really know professionalism" and this is primarily because people think it's like a blog post or something, or even a point where if it's a person, they think the page is the means to contact the person (like probably 60% of the commenters of the SMG4 page). This is the community side of it, so opinions and such are alright here, but on an actual page, the comments are supposed to help the page and not kill off the improvement of the page.

This isn't over. When I suggested to bring the RWA thing, I got little consensus on whether the thing should be implemented, and since all I got was yes, I put it up for everybody's sake. This is a small community, but you should be able to listen to when these things occur and vote as a community. This is why I was sceptical (I prefer typing skeptical though I'm Australian and that's the American spelling just as color is) about my own admin rights, because nobody voted on it except the opinion of one person. I've just dealt with it since I want to use it to improve this wiki as I've known.

Someone called Chaofreaks1 made a blooper list article. I asked on the SMG4 page if we should just remove all the blooper links and change the focus to inside the link for a number of reasons. 1. The bloopers take up more space on the article than the pictures and all the other fractions of text on the page. 2. Yes it relates to SMG4, as they are his bloopers, but they are his bloopers and not himself. The page should focus around SMG4 and if this blooper list is to have any good come, it should be from a linked page. Wikipedia, with articles that already are links, tend to just say "main article" and even for lists of episodes of TV shows just says "Full list: " which is much better than clogging the page up with unecessary content. Nobody has replied yet, and I understand it's been a day, but people should be quick to reply. This is a major change, which is why I haven't done it yet. I need community consensus to say "yes, this is a good change, this is how the page should be" or "no, this isn't a good change, let the bloopers stay" and if I get no response, 'nothing will happen. '

I really am getting sick of this ignorance. Something needs to be done, because as I suggest this stuff, nothing is getting done.